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Neil will cave in

Macca will get sick of pestering and stop it

The "authorities" will step in and mediate

Neil will drive up and retrobolt Macca's clacka

44%

It will never end

"Neil.....I am your faather"

14%

"I've always loved you, Macca"

"I had a faarm in Aaafricaa"

11%

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How's the Neil/Macca thing gonna pan out? 8-Apr-2013 At 2:34:59 PM uwhp510

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On 8/04/2013 Big G wrote:
>I think if you did an assesment of the damage caused to the environment
>by a cleaned crack climb vs a bolted face climb the difference would be
>marginal.

Well as long as you think it, then its most likely true. Nothing beats proof by thinking about things.

>Both cause devegetation, both lead to traffic at the base of
>the climb and subsequently damage, cracks are microclimates for plants
>and animals. changing these cracks has a bigger impact than the addition
>of steel bolts.

Impact on what/whom? For flora/fauna, sure it probably makes crap all difference either way, but to person (climber or non-climber) a gridbolted crag is obviously way less naturey. Also, all of the other stuff pales into insignificance against the extra traffic that bolted stuff seems to get.

>...and whats wrong with thinking of the lichen?

Surely we can all agree that lichen is the enemy :) (I fuchen hate those little mossy, fungusy bastards!)