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Are they really Safer Cliffs? 15-Feb-2013 At 1:38:03 PM hotgemini

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As I said, intentionally or otherwise.

Because we know that there are people who will use any possible excuse to attack initiatives like SaferCliffs, I believe we need to do everything we can to avoid giving them ammunition.

So starting a thread linking the good works of SaferCliffs to a perceived 'decline' in the ability of climbers or other such things can only serve to damage the organisation.

Even the wording "...I assume, unintended..." implies that Kevin is leaving the option open that this outcome was in fact intended by the poor bastards slogging into crags with 50kg worth of rebolting gear and spending a day getting covered in sweat, dirt and glue when they could have just as easily been 'getting their name in the guide' by bolting new routes or for far less effort, spent a pleasant day just going rockclimbing.

Whilst I acknowledge the points you're raising Mr. M9, even taking them into account, I would still have expected better from Mr Westren.

-Adam.