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Rings out 10-Aug-2012 At 1:34:05 PM widewetandslippery

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my 2 cents.

Putting more bolts in an established route isn't needed. Especially on a 20-30m slab in the blueys. Its not like the area is short of 20-30m slabs.

Fixing up dumb bolting, especially from the era of the hand drill where dumb bolts got left in dumb spots because it was all to hard to move them can be justified.

Return of the toecutter gang in my opinion was a failed sport route. Replacing bolt for bolt and ring lower offs no biggy.

Rage This Season, the name gives it away. It was put up purposely in a specific way at a certain time. It wasn't a sport route and it wasn't meant to convieniant by the first ascentionist.

I do grid bolt at crags I go and find. There are plenty out there. Good ones can be hard to find but as we are talking about Mt York that point is null.

I don't quite get the anti ring debate as I feel that if you are going to be leaving fixed protection it should be the best fixed protection but if an established route is rebolted (not retrobolted) as long it is in a better state than it was previously fair play.