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34? 31-May-2004 At 8:28:38 PM runnit

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On 28/05/2004 shaggy wrote:
>Climing is supposed to be an enjoyable past time, we dont need people dieing around
>the place, just to maintain a level of boldness.
>
>Call me a pussy, call me what ever, but it isn't necisary for people to
>die climbing.

But would you agree with the idea that one of the appealing things about climbing is that when you're on the pointy end of the rope, you are taking total responsibility for your life and it's a pleasant (and much needed if you ask me) relief from a society that's getting more and more cotton-wool-wrapped, litigative and buck-passing? It's what makes topping out so rewarding.

I definitely agree that uneccessary injuries/fatalities in the name of 'look at me, i did a bold climb' are not what climbing is about becuase the bad publicity usually results in increased regulation or outright prohibition and no one would ever wish for someone to frap in, but could that be avoided by by a means other than 'unneccessary bolting'? (sorry, I can't think of a better term, but you get my intent yeah?)

If an FA did the climb solo or in a really bold way, then they've shown that it is humanly possible and the challenge is there to repeat it in the same style if you are sure that you can climb at the appropriate level. I generally disagree with taking the risk out of a climb just because someone might get in over their head because they want to show off. If you're doing it because you've considered the risks and believe that you're capable of dealing with them in order to gain the personal satisfaction, then it's your life and your right to risk it.

If so much of climbing ethics and style has been passed down verbally and as a culture, maybe an attitude that discourages ego-driven risk taking could be passed down as well. Another option could simply be a phrase in the guide book that says poorly protected/run out/risk of ground fall etc, that's definitely enough to make me stop and think if I really want to do that climb.

Of course this is all just my ramblings while I'm putting off work so feel free to hook into it with what you think.