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OT: Plebiscite 21-Jun-2011 At 10:19:43 PM lacto

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>That could certainly be the case but at the very least it should be a
>reference point to guide the debate. At the moment the pro-tax side seems
>to think if you pull a lever a wind turbine will spring up and solve our
>energy problems.

Read the ZeroCarbonEmissions 2020 report and then say there are no alternatives to coal. All the players in the electricity generation are protecting their patch and as thereally big players are into coal that is hard to ramp up and down with demand do not want to see large scale solar which would cut out the lucrative daytime elctricity prices . eg in Vic now power is $35 Mwh after peaking today at $55 but is expected to be $10 between 4 and 6 am . Demand ranged from 7800 to 4800 Mwh of which the aluminium industry is taking a continual 1500 to 1800 Mwh.
I think the head of Rio was quoted as saying a carbon price of $150 would make nuclear viable (he sell uranium) . equals $195 Mwh tax on brown coal , $150 on black coal and $45 on gas fired . Currently wind is supposedly $70 all up but unfortunately unless on a vast scale and diverse locations to variable to reliable but certainly could replace a large portion of the coal power.