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OT: Plebiscite

TonyB

21-Jun-2011
7:36:14 AM

Our government may soon ask you whether you want more taxes. Do you really want a carbon tax ?

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/tony-abbott-moves-for-plebiscite-on-carbon-tax/story-e6frfku0-1226078264738

The amount of the new tax hasn't yet been fixed but estimates are that it will bring in around $11,000,000,000 per annum. It is hoped that the Oz carbon tax will reduce global temperatures by 0.0007 degrees by 2050 (based on IPCC claims). What better way to spend money to help our environment ?


kuu

21-Jun-2011
7:51:10 AM

On 21/06/2011 TonyB wrote
> (snip)
>
>The amount of the new tax hasn't yet been fixed but estimates are that
>it will bring in around $11,000,000,000 per annum.
> (snip)

Thats odd, I've heard rumours from a usually reliable source (not the Murdoch empire) that although the level of the Carbon Tax has not yet been decided it's estimated the cost to Australians will be in the order of $2.50 per person per annum (seasonally adjusted) and indexed to the CPI.


Sabu

21-Jun-2011
9:19:07 AM

Well the chances of this going ahead are very unlikely. Didn't receive enough support from the independents.

http://www.news.com.au/national/tony-abbotts-carbon-tax-plebiscite-no-deal-says-family-first-senator-steve-fielding/story-e6frfkvr-1226078987218


Pat

21-Jun-2011
9:19:10 AM

What's carbon?

Wendy

21-Jun-2011
9:34:31 AM

On 21/06/2011 Pat wrote:
>What's carbon?

Don't laugh too quickly - i was stuck talking to this guy Starbucks in Lexington who, aside from being unable to take a hint that I wanted to do stuff on my computer and not talk with him, had no idea what renewable energy, greenhouse gases or carbon tax was. He did however seem to think he knew a lot about Australia, and started every sentence with "Oi red 'n Australi-yar that ...".


Eduardo Slabofvic

21-Jun-2011
9:34:38 AM

Is Plebiscite a type of poison that kills all the common people? If so, I'm all in favour (snort).

widewetandslippery

21-Jun-2011
10:08:27 AM

Wendy did the guy called Starbucks say anything about a spaceship called Battle Star Gallactica?


Eduardo Slabofvic

21-Jun-2011
10:17:51 AM

On 21/06/2011 Wendy wrote:
> had no idea what renewable
>energy, greenhouse gases or carbon tax was.

How is that different to most Australians?

spicelab

21-Jun-2011
11:35:44 AM

On 21/06/2011 TonyB wrote:

>The amount of the new tax hasn't yet been fixed but estimates are that
>it will bring in around $11,000,000,000 per annum. It is hoped that the
>Oz carbon tax will reduce global temperatures by 0.0007 degrees by 2050
>(based on IPCC claims). What better way to spend money to help our environment
>?

Tony wheels out the denialist meme of the quarter currently doing the rounds of the Aussie denialosphere, serving up fodder for climate delusionals to giggle in tune with each other.

Because of course Australia has to stop AGW single-handedly.

satan

21-Jun-2011
11:38:30 AM

It's funny. I thought I already voted twice on this topic. Does it have to be three times to be binding, and even then Abbot says he won't take the word of the people.

There are not the words to describe that little tosspot,
though perhaps Cooper Clarke came close,

What creature bore thee, was it some kind of bat,
Most people can't think of a word for you, I can ....

ClimbingNT

21-Jun-2011
11:49:36 AM

I think its crazy that they can have a carbon tax, and then the money collected used for things like welfare.

Shouldnt carbon tax money be put towards a more eco-friendly industry, or renewable energy, more solar in Central Australia, etc?

Maybe not all of it, but some of it.

I am sure the next tax will be on other items that people need....like a water tax - oh wait a minute...


hangdog

21-Jun-2011
12:53:37 PM

On 21/06/2011 satan wrote:
>It's funny. I thought I already voted twice on this topic.

When did we even vote once on this??
Julia Gillard's comment pre - election was " No Carbon Tax". So i reckon that if that was in peoples minds at election time then the vote was for no carbon tax.

widewetandslippery

21-Jun-2011
1:27:38 PM

Against all taxation, it is all a protection racket for families, theists and property owners. Death to government, families, theists and property owners.

spicelab

21-Jun-2011
2:48:46 PM

On 21/06/2011 widewetandslippery wrote:
>Against all taxation, it is all a protection racket for families, theists
>and property owners. Death to government, families, theists and property
>owners.

Amen to that brother.

satan

21-Jun-2011
2:49:59 PM

Don't believe the hype. Regardless of the rhetoric Australian went to two elections hoping Labor would do something about carbon and knowing the libs never would. They also voted with their feet, metaphorically, when a bunch of people jumped from the Labor ship to the greens.


ChuckNorris

21-Jun-2011
2:58:24 PM

That was funny spicelab.

grangrump

21-Jun-2011
4:19:47 PM

On 21/06/2011 Pat wrote:
>What's carbon?
The central atom in the tetrahedral methane molecule (a nasty greenhouse gas) which is formed when wood is left to rot and not burnt...

lacto

21-Jun-2011
4:33:14 PM

Julia no carbon tax this term No MANDATE
Tony definitely no carbon tax NO MANDATE
Greens carbon tax and elected have delivered their mandate
Little Johnnie had no mandate to BIG NEW TAX GST , WORKCHOICES , or to sell most of Australias gold reserve for about a third of its current value Where was the Plebiscites on these huge decisions


Eduardo Slabofvic

21-Jun-2011
5:22:49 PM

On 21/06/2011 lacto wrote:
>Little Johnnie had no mandate to BIG NEW TAX GST , WORKCHOICES , or to
>sell most of Australias gold reserve for about a third of its current value
> Where was the Plebiscites on these huge decisions

But Little Johhny had BFLs

maxdacat

21-Jun-2011
5:43:08 PM

It is a bit of a stunt given the outcome is non-binding but there is nothing wrong with the people deciding especially since Julia Gillard promised not to introduce one. The main problem with a tax is that low income polluters will be compensated so they have no need to change their behaviour and higher income earners will just accept the increased cost. The net result is no change to emissions, increased cost and bureaucracy. On this basis the tax should be rejected as bad policy.

This is precisely what most of Australia is doing, although if you listen to the government, we are just confused about the details which will be resolved in due course.

At this stage if nuclear is off the table there is not a clear cost-effective alternative to coal fired electricity. When that alternative presents itself is the time to consider making the switch.

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