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$11,000 fine for building a cairn 16-Jun-2011 At 7:04:42 PM Linze

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On 14/06/2011 superstu wrote:

And why are there such piss poor turnouts to the Blue Mts
>Track Care days? Can't people see the connection between proactive engagement
>with land managers and better access results

unless you read the sign on the way into to shipley/bardens? (did I also see a sign at Piddo once?) or waste your life checking facebook, would people know what track care was doing?? Does BMCC organise track care?? i dont actually know but i always assumed it was a joint thing between them and some regular climber participants? if so why is the engagment net not spread a little wider?? are many Sydney folk involved or is it mainly Bluies full timers?? ive been climbing for more than a decade and noone has ever said anything about it to me, except for one guy that donated plenty of his time to rebolting but seemed to have something against the track care scene, not sure why?? track care sounds like a good idea, but realistically the masses are not going to get involved unless they have good knowledge of it. how often do you walk straigt past a poster and take no notice of it?? not meaning to be critical so much as to point out that maybe 'piss poor turn outs' are because not enough people have the info at their fingertips, or maybe they dont even feel as though they are really part of the whole thing??..for those whose participation is marginal someone might have to lead them across the line?? the rate of new routing in the bluies over the past few years seems to indicate that people are enthusiatic, so poor turn outs seem to be more than just apathy

>It's depressing that climbers have such a poor relationship with Parks
>NSW. Climbers generally seem completely uninterested in broader ecological
>issues and stubbornly reluctant to accept they have an impact on significant
>ecosystems worthy of preservation. It would seem the ideal situation from
>most NSW climber's perspectives if we ended up like Europe, where every
>bit of nature has been totally trashed, every mountain has a kiosk on the
>top, every forest is a plantation and every stream polluted. As Sydney's
>population continues to increase its only a matter of time until we end
>up like that. Is Parks NSW so bad that they should be disbanded and everyone
>and their dog should have a free reign to do as they wish with the remaining
>bushland? How quickly would everywhere get trashed!? You've only got to
>visit national parks in other countries to appreciate how lucky we are
>to have such pristine environments right next to our cities. And thank
>god we've got Parks - the alternative is every scrap of green is bulldozed
>and carpeted with McMansions - that would be fuched.
>
positioning yourself as the environemntally enlightened and everyone else is a destructive fool doesnt seem like a great way to get people on deck for your 'different vision of the future'... maybe these kind of attitudes are contributing to the disinterest in collective action in the Bluies???