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Bolting at Piddo 11-May-2011 At 11:19:55 PM egosan

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On 11/05/2011 tnd wrote:
>Stu, if you think these climbs you mention - a lot of which are chossy
>crap - Thunderfart - WTF! - are so safe, then I look forward to seeing
>you jumping off a couple, say a nice 2m fall to see how well your gear
>holds. At least one of the routes has had a serious accident when gear
>pulled.
>
>I guess you've done Snap, Crackle and Pop at Mt York. Lovely easy grade
>beginners' routes. Only a few fatalities between them. Or The Obituary
>- three deaths on one route.

Cry more and think of the children! Climbing is a dangerous activity. Get used to it. This idea that bolting old school deat... I mean trad routes will make climbing safe for the beginners or for anyone else for that matter is just plain wrong. For every trad climber that decked because of bad gear I bet we can find 10 sport climbers who decked because they didn't tie a knot in the end of their rope.

>I'd rather see beginners pull laps of the few safely bolted low grade
>routes around, get to grade 18 competently and consistently and then get
>onto the crap trad routes. That's if they want to spend a shit load of
>money on bits of metal.

tnd do you not spend shit loads of money on bits of metal? Do you not bolt your own routes? Do you not contribute to re-bolting funds? Why must you confuse the argument?