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11-Nov-2018 5:27:01 AM
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Back when I used to occasionally need to do stuff like hauling/ self belay / rope ascending I pretty much used a couple of jumars and later on a gri gri as well.
I’m certain gear has moved on from those halcyon days so what would people recommend on that front in modern gear? I’m not going hard core big walling at all but a bit of kit for hauling and /or ascending maybe useful for a future project or two. Any recommendations?
Cheers stu
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11-Nov-2018 6:40:31 PM
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My current kit is;
Down- gri gri, seat, short lanyard. Gri gri is attached to seat, I attach to that with lanyard. Not best safety practice, but way more comfortable for long developing sessions.
Up- 2x jumars each on their own daisy, 2x etriers, 1 micro traxion straight to belay loop. Having the third point on the rope allows you to bump jumars over rebelays quickly and safely.
Self belay- micro traxion + another rope grab (I have a gibbs). One straight to belay loop, one on a short lanyard at chest height (held up with home job chest harness).
Also get a couple of tubey velcro rope protectors.
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11-Nov-2018 10:13:42 PM
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On 11-Nov-2018 One Day Hero wrote:
>My current kit is;
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>Down- gri gri, seat, short lanyard. Gri gri is attached to seat, I attach
>to that with lanyard. Not best safety practice, but way more comfortable
>for long developing sessions.
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>Up- 2x jumars each on their own daisy, 2x etriers, 1 micro traxion straight
>to belay loop. Having the third point on the rope allows you to bump jumars
>over rebelays quickly and safely.
>
>Self belay- micro traxion + another rope grab (I have a gibbs). One straight
>to belay loop, one on a short lanyard at chest height (held up with home
>job chest harness).
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>Also get a couple of tubey velcro rope protectors.
>
I was interested in any 2018 responses to stugangs query, but you just replicated similar to a 1990’s setup, though I also use a Gibbs and acknowledge it’s more like circa 1970!
;-)
Lightweight stuff is the go for occasional use, eg Tiblocs and revolver krabs.
Heavier weight stuff is much more efficient in use eg wall-haulers - a pulley with integrated capture device, but I’ve not come across anything lighter and more efficient in recent times that might meet your needs stugang.
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11-Nov-2018 11:51:29 PM
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On 11-Nov-2018 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>Heavier weight stuff is much more efficient in use eg wall-haulers - a
>pulley with integrated capture device, but I’ve not come across anything
>lighter and more efficient in recent times.
What? Micro traxion is amazing, pretty much the modern standard.
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12-Nov-2018 12:05:26 AM
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On 11-Nov-2018 One Day Hero wrote:
>What? Micro traxion is amazing, pretty much the modern standard.
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Did Ozy with a mate using one as part of his seconding ascension system a while back...
The way he described its performance I don’t reckon I’d go for using one, especially being old fashioned and liking my jumars ;-)
In fairness though, if the user carefully matches it and attachment krab, and rope diameter, then it probably works well, so obviously depends on how it’s rigged, including chest harness if used in the system.
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12-Nov-2018 12:12:45 AM
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You only use it as a backup while jugging. They're really efficient for hauling too. Way better than the heavier first model.
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12-Nov-2018 1:20:55 AM
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I have an attachment that fits onto the sds chuck on my 28v panasonic , which allows me to ascend the rope. However im 80kg and add another 10-15 sometimes so a full battery will get me about 70m up on a 10mm static. Its called a 'stitchup' and I got it at a trade show in Guangzhou. Not much bigger than a grigri. I just put a lanyard on this and back it up with a chest croll. If it runs flat before I topout I can take the drill off it and pop a revolver biner and leg loop on it then jug up. Check em out...'Stitchup'.
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12-Nov-2018 1:29:31 AM
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On 12-Nov-2018 E. Wells wrote:
>I have an attachment that fits onto the sds chuck on my 28v panasonic ,
> which allows me to ascend the rope. However im 80kg and add another 10-15
>sometimes so a full battery will get me about 70m up on a 10mm static.
>Its called a 'stitchup' and I got it at a trade show in Guangzhou. Not
>much bigger than a grigri. I just put a lanyard on this and back it up
>with a chest croll. If it runs flat before I topout I can take the drill
>off it and pop a revolver biner and leg loop on it then jug up. Check em
>out...'Stitchup'.
That sounds amazing! And also a troll. A quick google of "Stichup" didn't yield anything...
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12-Nov-2018 2:22:41 AM
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They exist, I'm just too proud to go there. Bit like an electric bike.
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12-Nov-2018 7:17:21 AM
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Hey Stugang.
Seriously, microtraxions and minitraxions are bloody awesome. Perfect for Tioman. As ODH said, don't replace jumars, mainly for self-belay and backup. Fantastic for hauling. Plenty of stuff on the interwebs for using them. Can't see how they can fail when set up properly. The full size ones have a history of failure, spitting the rope out. Micros and Minis pretty much foolproof. Lots of rope protectors.
I use a Petzl torse chest sling, cheap, light and easy to adjust, bit of cord to hold the traxion upright on it. I find I adjust them a fair bit during a day, to ease the discomfort. Easy to go up and down, sorting out moves etc.
Access to those walls on Tioman would almost make living in Singapore bearable! :-)
Good crays, too.
Cheers
PP
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12-Nov-2018 4:05:40 PM
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Thanks all. I’ve seen those around but without direct experience of using them was hesitant to buy. A rolling biner or two also seems like it would be handy.
Climbing season starts Februaryish so just need to get training for walking up muddy hills in the jungle with a backpack full of gear. The climbing is a breeze after that.
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12-Nov-2018 5:13:12 PM
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Also, organise a crew. Anyone with even vague philosophical leanings will start to question themselves after a couple of lonely days swinging around brushing lichen off a remote rock.
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12-Nov-2018 5:54:05 PM
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Also take a look at the CT roll-n-lock pulley. Very similar to the microtraxion, without the aggressive pointy teeth. I've been using that and a Petzl rescuecender (heavy) for top rope self belay on occasion. Considering a semi-static rope...
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