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Medicinal use of mary jane

ado_m
30-Nov-2010
2:15:41 PM
choc stoners - any opinions regarding the medicinal benefits of marijanua on treating chronic pain, back problems, muscle fatigue? Short story is my back is not great (see previous random posts), and wondering whether jumping on the weed wagon might assist?

cogsy
30-Nov-2010
2:43:18 PM
In my job as a GP I've treated a lot of people with back pain problems, and a lot of people with marijuana addiction problems. I've probably seen half a dozen people who truly used marijuana for medicinal purposes.
All of these people had either MS or nausea assosciated with chemotherapy.
I have seen some people who said they used it for pain, but on closer questioning it was pretty obvious that they had smoked heavily before the pain began, and they were actually just addicted! "Pain relief" was just a good excuse not to quit!
From my understanding there is not any good scientific evidence that marijuana/THC is an effective pain reliever in non-addicts (of course it relieves withdrawl symptoms in addicts).

Side effects... addiction, lung damage, probably increased risk of developing mental illness.

If you really want to smoke weed, be honest with yourself and say that it's because you like the effects or you are addicted. Don't fool yourself into believing that you are doing it for "medicinal reasons".
I don't know how many elderly wretched alcholics have used this excuse to me in the past!!
widewetandslippery
30-Nov-2010
2:49:35 PM
I have found vodka and codine works well (endone is better).

Pot can relax you which can help a bit, valium works better.

And no, booze alone doesn't do much unless you get really hammered.

evanbb
30-Nov-2010
2:51:47 PM
Have heard that a vaporiser will reduce the negative effects of smoking.

billk
30-Nov-2010
2:56:11 PM
On 30/11/2010 ado_m wrote:
>choc stoners - any opinions regarding the medicinal benefits of marijanua
>on treating chronic pain, back problems, muscle fatigue? Short story
>is my back is not great (see previous random posts), and wondering whether
>jumping on the weed wagon might assist?
>

Ah, I would say that MJ is OK as something to use occasionally in a social setting and not OK as something used too regularly and especially not for dealing with chronic pain. Overuse of MJ can cause anxiety and depression. You don't want that on top of chronic pain.

My understanding is that MJ has pain relieving qualities that might make it useful for relief of acute pain episodes. But like other pain relieving drugs you can get caught upping the frequency you use it, until you are using every day.

BTW: I have a prescription for benzodiazepam for when I get acute neck pain. Knowing I have that as a last resort makes riding out acute episodes a bit easier but mostly I avoid taking it.

billk
30-Nov-2010
3:02:26 PM
You might not want to hear this but I think the best things for managing chronic pain are yoga/ pilates etc and meditation.

I recently read Tim Park's "Teach Me to Sit Still", which is a really funny book about prostatitis. When nothing else helped him, meditation did.
Fish Boy
30-Nov-2010
3:02:31 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis

I hate referencing wiki, but a quick read shows there are POTentially many uses for marijuana in medicine. Many are very small unrepeated trials, but others are not.

Fish Boy
30-Nov-2010
3:03:43 PM
On 30/11/2010 evanbb wrote:
>Have heard that a vaporiser will reduce the negative effects of smoking.

Negative effects? Vaporising will eliminate the risk of smoke related cancer, but nothing else.

evanbb
30-Nov-2010
3:07:50 PM
On 30/11/2010 Fish Boy wrote:
>On 30/11/2010 evanbb wrote:
>>Have heard that a vaporiser will reduce the negative effects of smoking.
>
>Negative effects? Vaporising will eliminate the risk of smoke related
>cancer, but nothing else.

That's essentially what I meant. A lot of bad stuff comes from setting fire to it and inhaling. The compounds themselves are quite low toxicity; which of course has nothing to do with their ability to cause mental health problems.

Eduardo Slabofvic
30-Nov-2010
3:55:06 PM
I recommend getting really wasted to the point of being comatose. It may not stop the pain in your back, but it will do a lot to relieve the pain in everyone else neck as you’ll stop whining about how your back hurts so much.

ado_m
30-Nov-2010
4:10:17 PM
Thanks for the posts, I sincerely don't really like pot anyway, the stuff stinks, so will give it a miss and focus on the pilates and physio. cheers.

nmonteith
30-Nov-2010
4:10:57 PM
California has very open legal medicinal MJ laws. It appears you can walk into any doctor - say you have a minor problem (anxiety for example) and get a 'prescription' then go down to your local legal pot dealer and purchase from a myriad of products. The doctors who prescribe have people on the street hassling you for their business! Very open - very legal.

ado_m
30-Nov-2010
5:12:58 PM
Sounds like a recipe for psychosis.

rodw
30-Nov-2010
5:23:23 PM
Yeah Colorado just past the same law last year...at the Yule fest street parade at Breckenridge there was a "Medicine man" float, the first dispensary in the summit county handing out business cards as it went down the street....my 10 year old daughter even got one.
gfdonc
30-Nov-2010
7:14:04 PM
On 30/11/2010 nmonteith wrote:
>California has very open legal medicinal MJ laws. It appears you can walk
>into any doctor - say you have a minor problem (anxiety for example) and
>get a 'prescription' then go down to your local legal pot dealer and purchase
>from a myriad of products. The doctors who prescribe have people on the
>street hassling you for their business! Very open - very legal.

Yep, you're right, and the reason I know that is I was chatting with an MD in Camp 4 who was set up with a clinic 'specialising' in dope prescriptions .. but in chatting with him it was clear the patient's recovery from their condition wasn't the main motivation.
(hic) or whatever the smoker's equivalent of "hic" is.

Macciza
30-Nov-2010
7:52:39 PM
High
Basically, it is quite likely to help even if you are findings other products unsuccessful.
Don't listen to those who will tell you cannabis has no medical uses, it certainly does!
Hers a few things to back my claim.
Several studies have found that cannabinoids have analgesic effects in animal models, sometimes equivalent to codeine.25-29 Cannabinoids also seem to synergize with opiods, which often lose their effectiveness as patients build up tolerance. One study found morphine was 15 times more active in rats with the addition of a small dose of THC. Codeine was enhanced on the order of 900 fold.30

In 1990, researchers conducted a double-blind study comparing the antispastic and analgesic effects of THC, oral Codeine, and a placebo on a single patient suffering from a spinal cord injury.31 Their findings confirmed the analgesic effects of THC being "equivalent to codeine." A 1997 study made similar findings related to morphine.32

A 1999 article reviewing the body of scientific animal research concerning the analgesic effects of marijuana concludes that "[t]here is now unequivocal evidence that cannabinoids are antinociceptive [capable of blocking the appreciation or transmission of pain] in animal models of acute pain." 33

In 2001, British researchers reported that cannabis extract sprayed under the tongue was effective in reducing pain in 18 of 23 patients who were suffering from intractable pain.34

Cannabis is an excellent muscle relaxant and anti spamodic as well so that also often helps. I often use it and am able to notice this effect on many occasions.
Of course, illegal Cannabis can contain over 70 unique cannabinoids in very different ratios and therefore will have differing effects; ideally what is required is a legitmate supply of certified medical cannabis, indicated for different complaints as a consequence of it's genetics.
But your endongenous cannabinoid receptors; thats right everyone has a naturally occurring cannabinoid system running inside them anyway; will also be modulated by your medicinal use and you may experience side-effects such as euphoria, laughter and an appreciation of the lighter side of life. It is not a 'gateway' to aid climbing . . .

So I would say 'Go For It!' . . .

Miguel75
30-Nov-2010
8:31:33 PM
My favorite side effect of mary jane is having the police SWAT team swarm through my mates apartment complex looking for a stash. The two of us ended up face down on the ground until the cops realised we were not the drug barons/slum lords they were looking for. The apartment a few doors down had a pretty big hydroponic setup along with a meth lab; and quite a few weapons... We knew the people who 'lived' there and didn't suspect a thing.

As an aside, anyone see the interview on the Tuesday? 7pm project with Steve price going at it with the fella (forgot his name) wanting to legalise Marijuana? Quite a show...

Sabu
30-Nov-2010
9:39:33 PM
The short answer here is that researchers around the world cannot agree on the medicinal use of cannabis and the long term implications of use.
Also be aware that for every study showing a positive effect there is probably another that shows a negative effect of use. One must look at both sides of the research before jumping to conclusions such as "go for it".

For instance: a 2006 (Ranganathan & D’Souza) review concluded that cannabinoids impair all stages of memory functioning.
Consistent with this finding previous research suggests that THC causes neuronal shrinkage and death in hippocampal neurons and that THC neurotoxicity may underlie some of the memory deficits associated with cannabis use (Chan et al., 1998).

I'm sure, as others have suggested, there are better alternatives.

Macciza
30-Nov-2010
10:26:24 PM
A few more . . .
Research of the cannabinoid system has many similarities with that of the opioid system. In both instances, studies into drug-producing plants led to the discovery of an endogenous control system with a central role in neurobiology. Few compounds have had as much positive press from patients as those of the cannabinoid system. While these claims are investigated in disorders such as multiple sclerosis spasticity and pain, basic research is discovering interesting members of this family of compounds that have previously unknown qualities, the most notable of which is the capacity for neuroprotection. Large randomised clinical trials of the better known compounds are in progress. Even if the results of these studies are not as positive as many expect them to be, that we are only just beginning to appreciate the huge therapeutic potential of this family of compounds is clear.

Sabu
30-Nov-2010
11:14:49 PM
Are we talking about cannabis or agonists of the cannabinoid system in general? That paragraph sounds like its referring to compounds that effect the system rather than cannabis in particular. We have to be careful here as evidence for the efficacy of compounds that target the cannabinoid system is not necessarily a green light for cannabis.

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