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Nick Kaz memorial thread #2

for fox sake

5-Jan-2009
11:31:21 AM

Found this on Daily Telegraph's website when i tried to send a comment regarding their legality of publishing a photo of Nick

"Feedback will be rejected if it does not add to a debate, or is a purely personal attack, or is offensive, repetitious, illegal or meaningless, or contains clear errors of fact."

pity they can't get their facts right themselves

kaz86

5-Jan-2009
11:49:50 AM

they were at the morgue when i had to ID nicks body. waiting outside the bastards. No respect. if they wanted a photo we would have given them one, they shouldn't have just stolen one of his profile.


DaCrux

5-Jan-2009
11:50:28 AM

On 5/01/2009 Onsight wrote:
>On 5/01/2009 DaCrux wrote:
>>can this thread be locked
>How would that help? The journalist has got there information from elsewhere.
>Even the police don't seem to be able to tell the media all the facts about
>the accident.

It would stop journalists from (mis)quoting people.

dalai

5-Jan-2009
12:00:39 PM

Very sad news indeed. So sorry for your loss Kaz86!

Duncan

5-Jan-2009
12:03:13 PM

I met Nick a couple of times, he was a good bloke. My sincerest condolences to friends and family.

Winston Smith

5-Jan-2009
12:09:50 PM

I only met Nick recently and immediately liked the bloke. He and Dave at the pub after a gym session, Dave talking about how Nick had hoodwinked him into a multi-pitch when he only wanted to do a single pitch, the game given away as he seconded past two ring bolts - the obvious end of the first pitch which Nick had climbed past.
My condolences to his family and friends.


rodw

5-Jan-2009
12:10:20 PM

From the DT websites own guidelines...

"(c) your content is accurate and reflects actual people and events and you did not digitally alter images or footage in any way to create your content or impersonate any person or entity or falsely state or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with a person or entity; "

Shame they don't follow them

jrc

5-Jan-2009
12:28:15 PM

I was shattered to read of this accident, I am very sorry for you and your family Andrew. I am even more sorry to sense the anguish you must feel in the distortion of the truth by the media.

It was disturbing (to say the least) to read the journalists's misleading report and attempts to make sensationalistic assumptions about climbing bans. I suppose I can partly understand (but not excuse) the former given the sort of pressure writers are under to achieve deadlines but the suggestion on bans is both mischievious and deceptive.

From the unacknowledged use of a photo topo already on Chockstone.org, and knowledge of some personal details it appears the journo knows of this site and may continue to source material from it. We owe it to Nick, to ourselves and to other practitioners of our sport to be as careful in our comments as we can be and to ensure the facts are presented openly when they become available.

kaz86

5-Jan-2009
12:36:23 PM

i totally agree Jrc
im not affected by the newspapers. our family knows what has happend we have been in touch with police sources as well asthe climber who was found with him. im mortafied for that poor sole who was left all alone on the rock face. i cannot imagine what he is going through.

Lucas Trihey

5-Jan-2009
1:10:49 PM

The AAR report on this tragic accident is now live at: http://www.accidentregister.info - go to the Accident
List pages and the google group link will take you to this accident.
Many thanks to various people who were on the scene and to the emergency services who helped
compile an accurate report.
The main aims of the AAR are to (1) get accurate information recorded to create awareness of the things
that lead to accidents and hopefully prevent similar accidents in future and (2) make accurate info
available to the media to encourage better reporting of adventure activities.
Lucas


tnd

5-Jan-2009
1:46:35 PM

Note that Sydney Channel 7 News are sniffing about, contacting various people for comments on "the system of bolting that exists and how climbers trust their lives to the bolting of others". I recommend that if they ask you, you ignore them, as you'll end up being part of a sensationalised story that exploits this tragic event to represent climbing as some extreme pursuit.

dfinnecy

5-Jan-2009
1:52:50 PM

Though I had known of Nick online from lurking around Australian climbing sites, I didn't
realize I had met him briefly at the gym until I saw the photo when reading these
reports. I often saw him there. He was the guy who looked a little too big to be climbing
that route that was so long and steep and just seeing him up there was an inspiration.

I chatted with briefly a few times, just about climbs there in the gym, his excitement
was infectious and he had an obvious passion for climbing that I can only imagine would
be applied with equal vigor to other parts of his life.

He'll be missed by others like me who didn't know him by name, just by his friendly face
and head of curly hair and the happiness he shared at practicing his craft.

As everyone else here has said, this has made me really sad and I wish only comfort
and love for his family and close friends in this time.

Darren Finnecy

Edit:
>>looked a little too big to be climbing
>>that route that was so long and steep and just seeing him up there was an
>>inspiration.

Nevermind that he was crushing it!

J.C.

5-Jan-2009
2:00:54 PM

On 5/01/2009 tnd wrote:
>Note that Sydney Channel 7 News are sniffing about, contacting various
>people for comments on "the system of bolting that exists and how climbers
>trust their lives to the bolting of others". I recommend that if they ask
>you, you ignore them, as you'll end up being part of a sensationalised
>story that exploits this tragic event to represent climbing as some extreme
>pursuit.

That's the last thing we need, mainstream media's know-nothing sensationalism coming in and fking with our freedom to make our own damn decisions. Would it be so hard to just report what happened after some real research, instead of gleaning a few facts and turning it into a soapie?
I don't even feel safe to put up my opinions regarding the whole deal in case it gets twisted into some bullshit story.

deadpoint

5-Jan-2009
2:02:07 PM

kaz86

5-Jan-2009
2:02:34 PM

i just want everyone to know that we havent spoken to anyone and havent even thought/seggested anyhting about what went wrong. we know it wasa freak accident and we dont want to go into politics or anything like that.

im trying to organise a plaque for the cliff face and maybe some sort of memorial for him at the gym that will all depend on the national park and the gym itself but i think it would be nce.

everyone that knew him even if only by face or for a few moments while he made jokes about how he was too fat to climb knew him for the real bloke he was.
his passion for rocks was crazy. at home he would talk about it all the time about the next climbe or do reenactments of his climbs in our living room. he could always make us smile. with that cheeky grin and quick wit.
i want to post details about his funeral but dont want the media involved.. if your interested please PM's me or email me. he wasnt religious so the funeral will be an open farewell.

thank you for all the supportive words.

P.S im also trying to collect phots of nick. we dont have many and would be interested in ANYTHING anything at all.

thank you again from the bottom of our hearts


anthonyk

5-Jan-2009
2:07:26 PM

On 5/01/2009 tnd wrote:
>Note that Sydney Channel 7 News are sniffing about, contacting various
>people for comments on "the system of bolting that exists and how climbers
>trust their lives to the bolting of others". I recommend that if they ask
>you, you ignore them, as you'll end up being part of a sensationalised
>story that exploits this tragic event to represent climbing as some extreme
>pursuit.

thats really stupid, it didn't have much to do with the bolt anyway. but i guess they'll jump on anything they can be wowsers about.

to all those reporters- get a life. if your rewards in life come from trying to stir an audience up about a fake story you lead a very bland existence. why don't you turn your attention to a real story, there's plenty of real issues going around that get squeezed out because they don't have the same "entertainment" value.


nmonteith

5-Jan-2009
2:21:03 PM

Rather than a plaque on the cliff perhaps think about donating a nice park bench chair to NSW National Parks, to go somewhere with a nice view of the mountains. You can add a plaque to the chair itself - and it doubles as a really nice spot to sit and remember. This was done in the Grampians a few years ago when an international climber tragically lost their life. Sometimes I sit on that chair and remember friends past that I have lost. Just a thought...

Onsight

5-Jan-2009
2:30:54 PM

On 5/01/2009 anthonyk wrote:
> it didn't have much to do with the bolt anyway.

Why do you say that?

kaz86

5-Jan-2009
2:33:10 PM

thats a great idea :)
Nicks youngest brother is an apprentice carpenter.

gfdonc

5-Jan-2009
2:56:59 PM

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