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dalai

1-Mar-2006
12:51:12 PM

On 1/03/2006 Phil Box wrote:
>Hee hee, razor wire and armed guards in towers every 20 feet.

Actually frame and hold bolts will be connected to mains power and come on automatically at dusk...

climbingjac

1-Mar-2006
12:59:59 PM

On 1/03/2006 Phil Box wrote:
>Hee hee, razor wire and armed guards in towers every 20 feet.
>
>Painting a rock mural over the wall would be a reasonably effective way
>to minimise graffiti. If the mural was of a very confusing pattern then
>the graffiti would be somewhat camoflaged. Lots of swirly rock patterns
>may be the order of the day. Any graffiti would then look like more rock.
>Might be a plan.

Very annoying to climb on, it is very difficult to distinguish the holds from the mess of the graffiti art.


nmonteith

1-Mar-2006
1:01:04 PM

I have hung around with a few 'graffiti vandals' over the years. These guys are not stupid mindless thugs
(or so the Herlad Sun keeps telling me). They don't go out of the way to wreck things for the sake of
destruction. You will notice that playground equipment is rarely touched by graffiti vandals - it will be the
same thing at Burnly. If it looks well used and well loved - and has a sign stating what it is - then I
imagine we will have minimal graffit problems. Remove the graffit artists ignorance about what we do and
we should have no problems. You may be suprised that a few climbers are actually closet graf writers...


Richard

1-Mar-2006
1:01:53 PM

Mr Box's soltution seems a good one to me - I don't think there is anyway you can stop graffiti - what you want to do is make the graffiti artists (I use that word loosly) want to paint somewhere else instead - if there are nice blank walls nearby, hopefully they'll put grafiti there where it might be more visable, than on surface with a pattern that hides the graffiti.

But is there much graffiti in the area, generaly? That would indicate how much of a problem it really is or isnt.

Cheers


nmonteith

1-Mar-2006
1:05:13 PM

On 1/03/2006 Richard wrote:
>But is there much graffiti in the area, generaly? That would indicate
>how much of a problem it really is or isnt.

Almost none. The original walls we bolted the structure to were totally clean.

dalai

1-Mar-2006
1:05:40 PM

On 1/03/2006 nmonteith wrote:
>They don't go out of the way to wreck things for the sake of
>destruction. You will notice that playground equipment is rarely touched
>by graffiti vandals - it will be the same thing at Burnly.

Maybe there is a difference between the artists and taggers, but in my neighbourhood most of the playgrounds are tagged as is most available wall space!

On 1/03/2006 nmonteith wrote:
>On 1/03/2006 Richard wrote:
>>But is there much graffiti in the area, generaly? That would indicate
>>how much of a problem it really is or isnt.
>
>Almost none. The original walls we bolted the structure to were totally
>clean.

Because they have a fresh covering of anti graffiti paint! Check out the unpainted structures and you will see enough graffiti.

Tags isn't art, its destruction of property - vandalism pure and simple!

I love murals - but only when done with the approval of the landowners.

stuart

1-Mar-2006
1:12:58 PM

> Maybe there is a difference between the artists and taggers, but in my neighbourhood
> most of the playgrounds are tagged as is most available wall space!

Aye - it's not 'graffiti artists' that are some much of a concern as the taggers. The latter seem to be indiscriminant in what they vandalise, be it church, playground or convict-wrought sandstone building. Kinda like a dog taking a piss: whereever it suits them.

I would imagine there wouldn't be too many people who would be bothered by a graf mural on the wall. But the indiscriminant spraying of paint across wall and holds? That'll be a drag.

1-Mar-2006
1:18:09 PM

On 1/03/2006 dalai wrote:

>
>Maybe there is a difference between the artists and taggers, but in my
>neighbourhood most of the playgrounds are tagged as is most available wall
>space!

Same with most of the playgrounds where i take my kids
Its never art, just tags and similar
most of it I suspect is done by kids rather than anyone who considers themseves and artist.


nmonteith

1-Mar-2006
1:53:33 PM

Does anyone know if you can remove spray paint from climbing holds with some form of solvent - or
does it also damage (dissolve) the climbing holds?

climbingjac

1-Mar-2006
1:56:35 PM

On 1/03/2006 stuart wrote:
>But the indiscriminant spraying of paint across
>wall and holds? That'll be a drag.

Short of covering the holds with slippery anti-graffiti paint, there is not a great deal we can do about it, I'm afraid. Unless... we assemble a team of keen climbers to camp out down there 24 x 7 and be security guards... Volunteers anyone?

Rob668

1-Mar-2006
2:03:58 PM

Maybe if it is inevitable that we'll have graffitti that we "allow" some "artist" to cover the walls with something suitable.

This will only be useful though if it keeps the other "artists" at bay, through respect for the work done (not sure if this is like a FA in climbing). Maybe Neil can provide more information on this?

climbingjac

1-Mar-2006
2:05:31 PM

I've already discarded this idea, kiddies. Graffiti art the wall and you can't find the holds through the mess.


nmonteith

1-Mar-2006
2:50:34 PM

On 1/03/2006 Rob668 wrote:
>This will only be useful though if it keeps the other "artists" at bay,
>through respect for the work done (not sure if this is like a FA in climbing).

You are definitely dis-respecting another graffiti artists work if you tag over a decent mural. Its a
hangable offence pretty much.

igoitz

1-Mar-2006
3:42:42 PM

Does anyone know if you can remove spray paint from climbing holds with some form of solvent - or
does it also damage (dissolve) the climbing holds.

All depends on what the holds are made of. If polyester has been used, then yes. The solvent would eat the resin. This would not happen if epoxy resin was used to make them. Epoxy resin doubles the price of polyester resin.

Rob668

1-Mar-2006
3:44:59 PM

On 1/03/2006 climbingjac wrote:
>I've already discarded this idea, kiddies. Graffiti art the wall and you
>can't find the holds through the mess.

Jac,

I'm aware of this. I'd prefer to see something put there that we approve of than to get lots of useless tagging over the walls. It'd also probably help avoid getting paint on the holds.

Rob

climbingjac

1-Mar-2006
4:33:51 PM

If you have some cash that you have available to donate at this late stage to pay for paint for graffiti artists to use, give me a call! But we have $0 for this.


nmonteith

1-Mar-2006
5:10:31 PM

Im sure Dulux would sponsor some graffiti artists... NOT!

Bob Saki

1-Mar-2006
5:33:38 PM

On 1/03/2006 climbingjac wrote:
>If you have some cash that you have available to donate at this late stage
>to pay for paint for graffiti artists to use, give me a call! But we have
>$0 for this.

And rightly so
surely you want no graf on the walls at all. If you do want graf on the walls these "artists" can pay for their own. And why are we even caring or thinking of catering to these vandals!
If I ever caught thenm spraying the wall I would be deterring them from doing this further!


shaggy

1-Mar-2006
7:00:38 PM

On 1/03/2006 igoitz wrote:
>Does anyone know if you can remove spray paint from climbing holds with
>some form of solvent - or
>does it also damage (dissolve) the climbing holds.
>
>All depends on what the holds are made of. If polyester has been used,
>then yes. The solvent would eat the resin. This would not happen if epoxy
>resin was used to make them. Epoxy resin doubles the price of polyester
>resin.
>

Polyester is still fairly resistant. It obviously doesn't like acetones, but it is resilant to caustics, and a certain, certain amount of heat.


Richard

1-Mar-2006
9:23:34 PM

>>>But is there much graffiti in the area, generaly? That would indicate
>>>how much of a problem it really is or isnt.
>>
>>Almost none. The original walls we bolted the structure to were totally
>>clean.
>
>Because they have a fresh covering of anti graffiti paint! Check out the
>unpainted structures and you will see enough graffiti.

Actualy, I was thinking more about the original burnley wall, which would not have been protected by anti garafiti paint .. was there much graffiti there? My memory says not, but I didn't go there a lot..(couldn't get past the cow pat...)

And again, surely anti garaffiti paint does not stop graffiti being applied (I asume it can't be seen so these vandals don't know its there), but only makes it easy to remove graffiti. Hence, the prescence of this paint is not the cause of there being no graffiti and the current walls (prior to the climbing walls being attached to them)?

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