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General Climbing Discussion

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Kuringai Chase National Park and Barrenjoey

pedro.c
4-Sep-2019
7:22:49 AM
Hey Folks
Were putting together a submission to the KCNP to have climbing permitted through more areas of the park. Part of our argument may include proving a precedent of climbing in the park. At the moment Im fishing for a historical time line. I.e. when did climbers first begin climbing in the park? When did they restrict climbing? What groups have used the park? Can anybody tell me about the Hawkesbury River Climbing Club?
Were mostly after information that lead up to the current ban on everywhere apart from Barrenjoey.
Thanks in advance

IdratherbeclimbingM9
4-Sep-2019
7:58:10 PM
The Northern Beaches Cliff Training Team was active during the period mid-late 1970's to mid 1980's, particularly at Barrenjoey, though I'd expect guidebooks would document that history for you?

I think it was around mid 2000's that a fair few deep water solos were put up along the Hawkesbury and I think the likes of mousey (who hasn't logged on to Chockstone for ages, and a link to his profile follows), was one of the participants who may have photographed such events. At risk of being incorrect information (from me), it might be worth searching his post history for anything on the subject?
http://www.chockstone.org/Forum/Forum.asp?ForumID=10&Action=Profile&UserName=mousey

... There may even be a crux (now defunct) mag article about the Hawksbury?

During WW2 the army was 'active' at West Head, and much later, as recently as mid late '70's(!), were still conducting cliff-training at Barrenjoey.

There were climbs established on Lion Island about that time too...

Link to a Chockstone photo in the Hawkesbury area circa 2005 - http://www.chockstone.org/NSW/EagleRock/Members/AndyS/TheGill1l.jpg
and another from 2007...
http://www.chockstone.org/NSW/HawksburyRiver/Members/JustinJ/RiverRage1l.jpg
... and another from 2008
http://www.chockstone.org/NSW/HawksburyRiver/Members/DaveL/TheBluffs1l.jpg
... and 2009
http://www.chockstone.org/NSW/EagleRock/Members/DaveL/SeaMonsters1l.jpg

(From old memory there are likey others too in the Chockstone archive, but I'll let you chase them for any info they contain, plus any data within comments about them?).



On 4-Sep-2019 pedro.c wrote:
>Hey Folks
>Were putting together a submission to the KCNP to have climbing permitted
>through more areas of the park. Part of our argument may include proving
>a precedent of climbing in the park. At the moment Im fishing for a historical
>time line. I.e. when did climbers first begin climbing in the park? When
>did they restrict climbing? What groups have used the park? Can anybody
>tell me about the Hawkesbury River Climbing Club?
>Were mostly after information that lead up to the current ban on everywhere
>apart from Barrenjoey.
>Thanks in advance
>

rodw
5-Sep-2019
10:09:57 AM
The Bluffs not in Kuringgai NP.
ScottyR
6-Sep-2019
10:47:34 AM
https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/-/media/OEH/Corporate-Site/Documents/Parks-reserves-and-protected-areas/Parks-plans-of-management-other-documents/ku-ring-gai-chase-national-park-recreational-activities-190156.pdf

The purpose of this paper is to invite discussion about how NPWS can continue to provide high-quality recreational opportunities for visitors while protecting the natural and cultural values of Ku-ring-gai Chase National Park. Preparation of a new plan of management provides an ideal opportunity to consider new ideas and develop options to meet these dual objectives.

there is a section in there about

Rock climbing and abseiling
Rock climbing and abseiling are inherently risky activities and as such require consent from
the park manager under the National Parks and Wildlife Regulation 2009. Conditional
consent for these activities may also be provided in the plan of management.
These activities have the potential to damage fragile rock features such as caves and
outcrops and any associated Aboriginal cultural heritage. To ensure protection of the parks
sandstone landscape and other sensitive natural and cultural features, rock climbing and
abseiling are currently only permitted at Barrenjoey Head under the following conditions:
participants minimise environmental impacts to the cliffs and surrounding vegetation
prior approval has been given by the Regional Manager for groups of 10 or more, or for
commercial rock climbing and abseiling activities
the safety of participants continues to be the responsibility of participants and their
companions
no new or replacement bolts are established without written approval from the Regional
Manager (approval will be on the basis that NPWS accepts no responsibility for the
safety of the bolt).

vwills
8-Sep-2019
2:42:21 AM
The government in NSW, the no fun state, ( unless you pay in excess of your tax $$) have whittled away at climbers access with most of us not realising this is happening.
With the ACA NSW forming, one objective is to be proactive, and re-establish sustainable and fair access for climbers on our public lands.
Managers are bending over backwards to accomodate mountain bikers and horse riders. Similar consideration needs to be afforded to other user groups.
We need to get rid of regulation 22 (25 in the recent draft) which disadvantages adventure activities.

Its amazing the contrast in Spain, where I am at present ( avoiding the Grampians this year) where adults are expected to be able to make decisions regarding their own safety.
martym
8-Sep-2019
8:40:06 PM
Have you been in touch with Jacob Sife | Natural Areas Program Leader | Ku-ring-gai Council?

I met him a while back - they are working on access policy on council lands; and are very supportive of adventure activities. He seemed to be familiar with the NPWS and their thoughts - not saying he'll know how to change their minds; but might have some more information for you on the current state of things.

Vwills
9-Sep-2019
3:49:36 AM
Jacob is with council. The council has one of the best statements on climbing on their web page of all land managers in Sydney. The SRC did a Lindfield clean up day through Council just recently.

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