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Grampians Access 2019

3:57:16 PM

>>I note that the FAQ references page 11 of the 2003 Management Plan, which
>is table 3. The table states that SPAs (key item 7 on table) occupy <<1%
>of the Grampians National Park. The provided maps (not to scale representative
>maps) indicate that the SPAs are significantly greater than <<1%. Appendix
>1 - page 55 names the SPAs but does not provide a reference to the delineated
>source for the SPA boundaries and is not referenced in any other location
>in the MP.
>>Which is correct, the written word or the representative maps. Can this
>be put to PV for further clarrification as this has legal and liability
>ramifications for PV and climbers alike.
>I've been repeatedly asking this question. I find it incredible that there
>were so many submissions to the management plan yet no one pointed out
>this incongruity at the time. I went back through the wayback machine and
>the oldest copy of the management plan I could find was from 2005. It has
>the same maps as the current version on Parks' website:

Having read the 2003 plan, the obvious answer to the question is that climbing would not be prohibited in the full extent of the Special Protection Areas but at a << 1% subset of the park with issues. Page 43 says "In consultation with the rock climbing community, consider, and as appropriate:...close climbs that conflict with Aboriginal cultural sites, significant flora and fauna or other park values and signpost accordingly".

This seems totally reasonable to me, shame it's not what happened.
1:01:23 PM
Parks Vic Frame Climbers Get Caught Out

The good Dr
8:29:07 PM
Interestingly there are art sites next to tourist trails that are continuing to be graffitied that PV is doing nothing about. A cave near Beehive Falls is a prime example. I will post a few pics soon to demonstrate this lazy, inconsistent approach that PV is taking to enforcing protection of vulnerable cultural heritage sites. This is being in part driven by internal PV politics rather than any kind of strategic plan.

4:45:30 PM
Parks Victoria have advised me by email that the " < < 1%" in the 2003 management plan was a miss print.
They also advised that abseiling is rock climbing so it's prohibited too.

They also said something about common sense which I didn't understand because I don't have any.

James Mc

3:39:32 AM
Its seems to be a misprint they keep sprouting though as smoke screen, which doesn't seem very common sensish.
11:16:17 AM
Any update for the latest or changes for the Easter break?
2:04:57 PM
On 15-Apr-2019 Olbert wrote:
>Any update for the latest or changes for the Easter break?
Nothing new that I'm aware of except that the corrugations on the roads around Stapylton are pretty bad at present.
Access T CliffCare
6:14:21 AM

Easter update for climbing

There is also a 'Town Hall' event happening at Goatfest in Natimuk this coming Saturday. Hear what's been happening, plans ahead and ask some questions.

I will be uploading another community update on what's been happening soon.

Access T CliffCare
1:30:06 PM

A Grampians Community UPdate is now up. Gives you an idea of some of what we have been working on.
Also check out the link within the update to get more info on the working group itself.

Have a good Easter break all.


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