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partners for Arapiles, mid-Oct. to mid-Nov. 17-Sep-2009 At 10:42:18 AM WM

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hmm, you're normally more on the money than that ODH. i didn't say one crag or style was better than the other - just that they're different, and Rosea et al are not to be missed out on. I did say Rosea's best routes are better than anything at Araps, and let me give examples: Heretic, Last Rites, and Ascension, respectively, are better than any 17, 19 or 21 at Araps.

Travelguy is not a newby to araps so he's already had the super cool first impressions. On this trip he's saying he wants to do the highest quality routes - so araps' routes which have easy access but are merely "good" are not what he's after. And he's going to split the time between araps and gramps - not NSW. I'm giving suggestions about what the araps/gramps split should be.

BTW i've done 3 times the number of gramps routes as araps routes so if I was jaded it should be the other way around...

i dunno how the re-gen is going.