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need partner cilmbing at Melbourne CBD

Gow

25-Mar-2008
12:28:15 PM

Please call. my number 0415546670. I can climbing on Tuesday after 3pm. My level 6,7 and I love to climb and learn more.Thanks

hande

25-Mar-2008
1:29:43 PM

hi

i also need a climbing partner but i prefer to climb outdoor cause the gym at melbourne is very crowded... I m also 6-7 degree if the degrees are the same as the turkey degrees... do not have a phone line yet but you can e mail me...

simey

25-Mar-2008
2:13:01 PM

Is this all a joke?

What the hell are turkey degrees?

dalai

25-Mar-2008
2:15:03 PM

French grades would be my guess.

hande

25-Mar-2008
4:37:13 PM

i checked it out and the levels are not the same worlwide... level six is hard diffucult in australia but means a beginner in Turkey... you see...


throwback

25-Mar-2008
5:01:53 PM

Hard Difficult - that sounds like a UK grade not Aussie. My guess is that you are looking at a conversion chart and are reading the UK descriptive grade too literally (as you would)

Hard Difficult (HD) the UK grade is not actually hard or difficult by today's standards, it is a beginner grade. It was hard in the days of climbing in tweed coats and hobnail boots when the grade was established but not now.

hande

25-Mar-2008
5:19:10 PM

it s more clear now thanks...


IdratherbeclimbingM9

25-Mar-2008
5:50:35 PM

>and dont know what trad multi pitchs or others means

... yet you indicate in your profile that you have your own climbing equipment?

At the risk of having been trolled.
>and dont know what trad multi pitchs or others means

Gym = indoor climbing on manufactured holds.
Boulder = outdoor climbing on shorter in height type rocks where a rope is generally not required.
Top Rope ~> your profile indicates that you know this one already.

Sport = climbing on routes where the protection generally consists of bolts in the rock.
Trad Single Pitch = 'Traditional' climbing of less than one ropelength involving placing protection (nuts/cams/slings etc) in and around natural features and clipping your rope to it whilst being belayed.

Trad Multi Pitch = As above but more than one ropelength involved.

Aid/Big Wall = climbing using your equipment to aid upward progress; ie pulling on your gear rather than the natural features of the rock. Big Wall = long climbs of this nature, sometimes involving many days and camping out on the rockface.
Ice = climbing on ice (eg frozen waterfalls etc), not rock.
Real Mountains = climbing tall mountains, a different form of suffering often involving snow and ice.

dalai

25-Mar-2008
6:09:51 PM

On 25/03/2008 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>>and dont know what trad multi pitchs or others means
>
>... yet you indicate in your profile that you have your own climbing equipment?
>
>At the risk of having been trolled.

Not everyone has english as their first language M9.

They have otherwise gone to alot of trouble to search for a psychologist from Turkey to create the user for...

Welcome Hande


billk

25-Mar-2008
6:13:54 PM

Does this site have a table of Australian and O/S grades anywhere?

It might be a useful addition.

dalai

25-Mar-2008
6:22:02 PM

Not UIAA grades which may be used in Turkey (not alot I could find re grades used - either french or UIAA) http://www.chockstone.org/TechTips/GradeConversion.htm

Not sure of it's accuracy - http://www.worldtopo.com/grades.php but also includes UIAA.


IdratherbeclimbingM9

26-Mar-2008
8:11:52 AM

>Not everyone has english as their first language

Agreed; ~> ... which is why I gave the benefit of the doubt, and took the trouble to explain the seemingly obvious ;-)

(PS; Like the word play re Welcome Hande!).

I suspect that Turkey Degrees are more a local thing (ie Degrees of Difficulty for Turkish grading system, similar to how we use the Ewbank system), than UIAA. It will be interesting to have confirmation from our new member, as my searching (like yours?), tended to only turn up UIAA usage.

Btw I noticed many of the 'Further Reading' links on the Chockstone link quoted above, no longer seem to work ...

Apologies to Gow for the thread hijack.

hande

26-Mar-2008
12:24:35 PM

ok is there anyone else that wants to fun off me?

yes i do say that i do not know these levels... i could check it from the intrenet and could pretend that i knew all of them but i didn t.. and I have my own equipment... whats wrong about indicating it? what is that "how you dare..." attitude?

hande

26-Mar-2008
12:29:29 PM

thanks dalai. I found myself in a discussion as soon as I came

nice to hear a welcome...


IdratherbeclimbingM9

26-Mar-2008
1:10:18 PM

G'day hande,

You are indeed welcome on Chockstone but I ask that you forgive us for being a little sceptical (displaying a "how dare I" attitude?), as we have had internet trolls stir us up on this site in the past, and this has led to us sometimes having a questioning attitude.

It is good that you indicated you have your own equipment and I see the benefit in making that knowledge available when looking for a climbing partner.
It is also possible to think that someone with sufficient love of this recreation to have invested time and money into buying their own gear, would also perhaps be a little knowledgeable of the various aspects/divisions of/within climbing, but perhaps I assumed too much ...

I trust your climbing expectations are well met with your experience of it in Australia.

>I found myself in a discussion as soon as I came

Chockstoners are possibly renown for having 'discussions' on climbing. Sometimes a little vigorously and other times less so, however it is generally all good and most get used to the style quite quickly.

hande

26-Mar-2008
1:12:22 PM

the Turkey levels also vary among the cities in Turkey the levels are actually varies from the climbing areas... for onstance if you climb in Izmir the VI level may seem VIII for a climber who used to climb in another area.. so its a very subjective issue... its also up to the guy who opened that route... that s why I hesitated to indicate a climbing level...


IdratherbeclimbingM9

26-Mar-2008
1:21:55 PM

When an VIII is called a VI this is known as a 'sandbag'.
(Sandbagging is an expression used for tricking unsuspecting climbers onto a harder climb than they anticipate).
This phenomena is not unique to Australia!

hande

26-Mar-2008
1:36:40 PM

so?


IdratherbeclimbingM9

26-Mar-2008
1:43:39 PM

Another assumption on my part.

I assumed that since you needed clarification of the 'tick boxes' when creating a user profile, that you may not be familiar with the term sandbag, and so I explained it.

Subjectivity and variance are always part of grading systems, but sandbagging goes further than that and is often deliberate. Hopefully this will not happen to you while climbing in Australia now that you are aware of the possibility ...

Is this a test? Am I being psychoanalysed?

;-)

:)

hande

26-Mar-2008
2:08:44 PM

ok... that s more clear now...

thanks for calming down... I m not that rich to have my eguipment just for my curiosity... as i said I m not as mighty as the times when I was a studen and could spare my whole time to climb... I m 27.. but I really love it and just want to meet people who does not turn this activity in to a superiority competition' whom I just can climb together and learn more...

nice to meet you then...

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